Crystals

[aeral]

Hey all,
Pardon me for jumping in on this but I can't let this orgonite discussion get brushed off so easily. Does this mean Wilhelm Reich's work is all New Age garbage? I use a chembuster and I personally know it works as I live in the country and I see the chemtrails just stop when in the vicinity of the devise. Crystals are found in many radios, etc because they transmute frequencies, store information.
I was not aware of them as living beings, however, until Daniel made the point. It is disturbing to think of torturing them and I'd like to try to suss that out further. Perhaps it's not appropriate to use them in this way.
However, that's a separate question from its effectiveness.

[daniel]

Pardon me for jumping in on this but I can't let this orgonite discussion get brushed off so easily. Does this mean Wilhelm Reich's work is all New Age garbage? I use a chembuster and I personally know it works as I live in the country and I see the chemtrails just stop when in the vicinity of the devise. Crystals are found in many radios, etc because they transmute frequencies, store information.
I was not aware of them as living beings, however, until Daniel made the point. It is disturbing to think of torturing them and I'd like to try to suss that out further. Perhaps it's not appropriate to use them in this way.
However, that's a separate question from its effectiveness.

I have split this topic off from the Cloud thread, as it is a separate discussion.

Orgone is just Reich's name for bioenergy; the same as Reichenbach's Odic force ("Od"), ch'i, prana, qi, or a plethora of other names. Orgone is as "real" as it gets, as described in the bioenergy sections of my last paper. What I refer to as a placebo is orgonite, an inanimate pile of metal clippings with a quartz crystal thrown in.

If you haven't, READ Wilhelm Reich's research, and do a followup with Reichenbach's Letters on Od and Magnetism. These researches show that orgone/od are a Level 2, bioenergy--which cannot be generated WITHOUT the life unit linkage to the cosmic sector. And that is where Reich had focused his research--on the living half of that system.

Regarding crystals, the information I have is Native American in origin, from Manataka, The Valley of Vapors, which at one time was called "The Place of Peace," and housed enormous crystal caverns and hot springs, until Western man came in an "civilized" it for profit.

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Pardon me for jumping in on this but I can't let this orgonite discussion get brushed off so easily. Does this mean Wilhelm Reich's work is all New Age garbage? I use a chembuster and I personally know it works as I live in the country and I see the chemtrails just stop when in the vicinity of the devise. Crystals are found in many radios, etc because they transmute frequencies, store information.
I was not aware of them as living beings, however, until Daniel made the point. It is disturbing to think of torturing them and I'd like to try to suss that out further. Perhaps it's not appropriate to use them in this way.
However, that's a separate question from its effectiveness.

I have split this topic off from the Cloud thread, as it is a separate discussion.

Orgone is just Reich's name for bioenergy; the same as Reichenbach's Odic force ("Od"), ch'i, prana, qi, or a plethora of other names. Orgone is as "real" as it gets, as described in the bioenergy sections of my last paper. What I refer to as a placebo is orgonite, an inanimate pile of metal clippings with a quartz crystal thrown in.

If you haven't, READ Wilhelm Reich's research, and do a followup with Reichenbach's Letters on Od and Magnetism. These researches show that orgone/od are a Level 2, bioenergy--which cannot be generated WITHOUT the life unit linkage to the cosmic sector. And that is where Reich had focused his research--on the living half of that system.

Regarding crystals, the information I have is Native American in origin, from Manataka, The Valley of Vapors, which at one time was called "The Place of Peace," and housed enormous crystal caverns and hot springs, until Western man came in an "civilized" it for profit.

Daniel,

I've just re-read several of Reich papers and some newer studies with the orgone accumulator, attempting to understand what you are saying here that I, and others, seem to be missing,

So, right, orgone is the same as bioenergy, ch'i, etc. which needs a life unit link to the cosmic sector...
Didn't you just indicate that the crystals were living and would be that live unit link?

Reich's orgone accumulators were organic, inorganic/metals, layered upon each other.
This construction accumulated and/or stored orgone/bioenergy from the sun, the earth,
animals, plant life, etc.

So again, i'm missing where the lack of bio-energy statement is coming from.
Those layers, in, and of themselves were inanimate and lacking a link to cosmic bioenergy.
Yet, somehow (seemingly thru the speeding up and slowing down of speed ranges of the available bioenergy surrounding them) they were able to store or amplify that bioenergy?

If you're saying orgonite is not properly constructed in the same manner as the ORAC, then I could understand that.
Are you saying that?

If you're saying orgonite like the ORACs will not instantly turn Dor/negative orgone into positive orgone, merely because of crystal is present, I could understand that.
Are you saying that?

Are you saying Reich's orgone accumulators didn't work at all and his theories were based on incorrect assumptions that led to correct conclusions?

Honestly, Im lost to what you are trying to say here.
Please enlightened myself, and others.


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Shen Accumulators
Lastly, if the premise behind orgone collectors is correct, then it makes sense that we would be able to build Shen Accumulators.
Any ideas on that?

[daniel]

So, right, orgone is the same as bioenergy, ch'i, etc. which needs a life unit link to the cosmic sector...
Didn't you just indicate that the crystals were living and would be that live unit link?

Yes, I did.

Reich's orgone accumulators were organic, inorganic/metals, layered upon each other.

Correct, and they work quite well. So WHY? With what you have learned, what would that layering structure DO?

This construction accumulated and/or stored orgone/bioenergy from the sun, the earth,
animals, plant life, etc.

Given how much we know is backwards, are you so sure that those are the sources of "accumulation?"

Look at the method of construction, and how it interacts with the bioenergy field. But remove the "expectations" you've been given, and see the process for yourself. If you can do that, you will make a very important, personal discovery.

Just remember, that if you take "life force" from others, without their knowledge and consent, then there will be karmic results. And I don't just mean people.

So again, i'm missing where the lack of bio-energy statement is coming from.
Those layers, in, and of themselves were inanimate and lacking a link to cosmic bioenergy.
Yet, somehow (seemingly thru the speeding up and slowing down of speed ranges of the available bioenergy surrounding them) they were able to store or amplify that bioenergy?

Whenever you cross a boundary, such as the speed of light, things tend to get yanked inside-out. For example, gravity in space appears as anti-gravity in time. There is a boundary between the inanimate and the animate levels of existence.

If you're saying orgonite is not properly constructed in the same manner as the ORAC, then I could understand that.
Are you saying that?

Yes, I am saying that.

If you're saying orgonite like the ORACs will not instantly turn Dor/negative orgone into positive orgone, merely because of crystal is present, I could understand that.
Are you saying that?

Yes, I am saying that.

Are you saying Reich's orgone accumulators didn't work at all and his theories were based on incorrect assumptions that led to correct conclusions?

No, I am not saying that.

Honestly, Im lost to what you are trying to say here.
Please enlightened myself, and others.

You have all the pieces; assemble the puzzle and see what the picture is. I'll talk about the inanimate realm all you like, but when it comes to bioenergy, I cannot be as forthcoming because it would be an injustice to self-discovery. When it comes to life and bioenergy, knowing the "answer" is no where near as important, as finding the answer.

Lastly, if the premise behind orgone collectors is correct, then it makes sense that we would be able to build Shen Accumulators.
Any ideas on that?

You have already constructed a highly efficient one. Why would you need another?

[eyewar]

Hello... I have just basic information about orgonite but i am really interested what u are saying Daniel... and when everything is backwards... Question: Can orgonite drain my life energy , can orgonite block EMF ( I have few for this) Thx for answer.

[Lars-star.]

Your body is the most complex piece of technology on this planet. You can generate orgone, you can deflect negative orgone..you don't really need any aid other than accessing the ancient knowledge of the body's internal energy-system.

and the do a lot of hard work......

Be sure that your ethics are in place, because chi is connected to karmic mechanisms..like Daniel implies....the universe is a balancing machine..what you unlawfully TAKE..you will have to surrender again.....Don't try to havest Qi from entities....cultivate your own....make sure that you have righteous intention..what you order from the cosmos is what you get..the universe is also a copying machine....Don't try to open energy centers/channels by doing drugs...

Examine:
-daoism
-pranic yoga
-benevolent Qi-Gong (your intuition will guide you away from malicious Qi-Gong..listen to it!!)...

Crystals are much much less efficient than your own body..at least the crystal available to the general populace.

[daniel]

Hello... I have just basic information about orgonite but i am really interested what u are saying Daniel... and when everything is backwards... Question: Can orgonite drain my life energy , can orgonite block EMF ( I have few for this) Thx for answer.

All transformers are bidirectional... just depends on the winding you make the source.

Considering Orgonite was brought to you by the same folks that brought you channeling, harvest and mass ascension, what would you think?

If you want to block EMF, you'll need to use something like nickel or mu-metal; some substance with a high magnetic permeability.

[eyewar]

Hello... I have just basic information about orgonite but i am really interested what u are saying Daniel... and when everything is backwards... Question: Can orgonite drain my life energy , can orgonite block EMF ( I have few for this) Thx for answer.

All transformers are bidirectional... just depends on the winding you make the source.

Considering Orgonite was brought to you by the same folks that brought you channeling, harvest and mass ascension, what would you think?

If you want to block EMF, you'll need to use something like nickel or mu-metal; some substance with a high magnetic permeability.

Probably i know the answer.. because ur question was obvious or not? Yes they work by draining life energy from other lifeform ? Thx =)

[daniel]

Probably i know the answer.. because ur question was obvious or not? Yes they work by draining life energy from other lifeform ? Thx =)

Read Lars-star.'s post above... it is right on the mark.

I don't know if you have any electronics background, but a transformer alters the ratio of voltage to current; high voltage, low current on one side can create low voltage, high current on the other. Voltage and current are reciprocally related, V/I = R. When it comes to orgone, OR (Orgone) and DOR (Deadly Orgone) are reciprocally related. If you want a high voltage output--you'll need a high current input. If you want a high level of Orgone output--well, you do the math.

[eyewar]

Probably i know the answer.. because ur question was obvious or not? Yes they work by draining life energy from other lifeform ? Thx =)

Read Lars-star.'s post above... it is right on the mark.

I don't know if you have any electronics background, but a transformer alters the ratio of voltage to current; high voltage, low current on one side can create low voltage, high current on the other. Voltage and current are reciprocally related, V/I = R. When it comes to orgone, OR (Orgone) and DOR (Deadly Orgone) are reciprocally related. If you want a high voltage output--you'll need a high current input. If you want a high level of Orgone output--well, you do the math.

Thx for answer I never make my own orgonite i just get few from my friend ... Its funny how many thinks what we think are just manipulationg, wrong, dead end. Like u said Everything is backwards ... I really appreciated work of Scientific Underground. Thank U.