daniel wrote:aeral wrote:Pardon me for jumping in on this but I can't let this orgonite discussion get brushed off so easily. Does this mean Wilhelm Reich's work is all New Age garbage? I use a chembuster and I personally know it works as I live in the country and I see the chemtrails just stop when in the vicinity of the devise. Crystals are found in many radios, etc because they transmute frequencies, store information.
I was not aware of them as living beings, however, until Daniel made the point. It is disturbing to think of torturing them and I'd like to try to suss that out further. Perhaps it's not appropriate to use them in this way.
However, that's a separate question from its effectiveness.
I have split this topic off from the Cloud thread, as it is a separate discussion.
Orgone is just Reich's name for bioenergy; the same as Reichenbach's
Odic force ("Od"), ch'i, prana, qi, or a plethora of other names. Orgone is as "real" as it gets, as described in the bioenergy sections of my last paper. What I refer to as a placebo is
orgonite, an inanimate pile of metal clippings with a quartz crystal thrown in.
If you haven't, READ Wilhelm Reich's research, and do a followup with Reichenbach's
Letters on Od and Magnetism. These researches show that orgone/od are a Level 2, bioenergy--which cannot be generated WITHOUT the life unit linkage to the cosmic sector. And that is where Reich had focused his research--on the living half of that system.
Regarding crystals, the information I have is Native American in origin, from Manataka, The Valley of Vapors, which at one time was called "The Place of Peace," and housed enormous crystal caverns and hot springs, until Western man came in an "civilized" it for profit.
Daniel,
I've just re-read several of Reich papers and some newer studies with the orgone accumulator, attempting to understand what you are saying here that I, and others, seem to be missing,
So, right, orgone is the same as bioenergy, ch'i, etc. which needs a life unit link to the cosmic sector...
Didn't you just indicate that the crystals were living and would be that live unit link?
Reich's orgone accumulators were organic, inorganic/metals, layered upon each other.
This construction accumulated and/or stored orgone/bioenergy from the sun, the earth,
animals, plant life, etc.
So again, i'm missing where the lack of bio-energy statement is coming from.
Those layers, in, and of themselves were inanimate and lacking a link to cosmic bioenergy.
Yet, somehow (seemingly thru the speeding up and slowing down of speed ranges of the available bioenergy surrounding them) they were able to store or amplify that bioenergy?
If you're saying orgonite is not properly constructed in the same manner as the ORAC, then I could understand that.
Are you saying that?
If you're saying orgonite like the ORACs will not instantly turn Dor/negative orgone into positive orgone, merely because of crystal is present, I could understand that.
Are you saying that?
Are you saying Reich's orgone accumulators didn't work at all and his theories were based on incorrect assumptions that led to correct conclusions?
Honestly, Im lost to what you are trying to say here.
Please enlightened myself, and others.
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Shen Accumulators
Lastly,
if the premise behind orgone collectors is correct, then it makes sense that we would be able to build Shen Accumulators.
Any ideas on that?
Thx for answer.
I never make my own orgonite i just get few from my friend ... Its funny how many thinks what we think are just manipulationg, wrong, dead end. Like u said Everything is backwards ... I really appreciated work of Scientific Underground. Thank U.