Crystals

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Ok, lets forget the orgonite and crystals for a second, because my separate question about them is creating some confusion towards what i'm trying to understand.
I'm not interested in being a vampiric parasite on any sentient being but it begs several questions...

Your body is the most complex piece of technology on this planet. You can generate orgone, you can deflect negative orgone..you don't really need any aid other than accessing the ancient knowledge of the body's internal energy-system....
-pranic yoga
-benevolent Qi-Gong

This ch'i is still coming from somewhere, yes?

As i mentioned in a post about eating meat, the only things i know of that give ch'i "freely" are the sun, earth, and fruit-bearing trees.

Most people can NOT live as fruitatarians.
I've tried it, as have many others, and most human bodies are not genetically able to adapt to that lifestyle in one lifetime.
There's also 1 or 2 yogic masters that supposedly live off the sun alone, so that's literally a statistical impossibility.

So as far as i know, it seems everyone on this forum still needs to eat some other orgone accumulating plant-life or animal to attain ch'i.


Im also not into killing things intentionally.
But i also know im intentionally killing thousands, maybe millions of microbes, everytime i bathe, brush my teeth, or use antiseptic on a wound.
if i or others get sick, and a lack of ch'i is generally the problem, where are we getting this extra "free" ch'i from without consequences

Just remember, that if you take "life force" from others, without their knowledge and consent, then there will be karmic results. And I don't just mean people.

So, I'll rephrase my questions and maybe get more clarity.

From what you said, Daniel, i inferred that any ch'i attained is coming from somewhere or somewhen.
Again, whether it's the cosmic or material sector, it's "taking it" from someplace(time) else.

In light of your recent report, accumulating ch'i has "karmic" implications in one's spiritual advancement.
So again, where is all of this extra "consequence-free" orgone coming from?

My understanding is that even the Sun(stars) is "creating" it's orgone from someplace(time), taking it from something else?

At what point is it "ethical"?

If something is transmuting inanimate ingredients into ch'i, is that not the evolution of consciousness,
and i dare say, the "purpose" of the Universe?
If one is transmuting ch'i ingredients into shen, is that not the evolution of consciousness?

Again, im not a huge orgonite fan, nor a crystal "abuser"
But I would like to understand the process of accumulating ch'i on the material plane,
for spiritual advancement that doesn't involve karmic consequences, if such a thing exists.

Because as "amazing" as the human form is, everything i know on earth is taking ch'i from something else, in some manner, to survive and grow.

[Ilkka]

Because as "amazing" as the human form is, everything i know on earth is taking ch'i from something else, in some manner, to survive and grow.

I think this "ultimate source" for the chi is from equal existance of the material sector and cosmic sector, therefore their reciprocal effect(interaction between the two sides of the same coin, so to speak) is generating various forms of energy and chi being one of them, also according to LB there is many forms of chi, not just the one. Dont know if this is correct enough, but fast deduction of things I've learned so far.

Unless the chi is from the "ethical sector", but I doubt it since I believe its a "place" for shen energy.

Also you might want to read Daniels latest paper, because it has more info on chi and shen energies.

[daniel]

Because as "amazing" as the human form is, everything i know on earth is taking ch'i from something else, in some manner, to survive and grow.

Dare I say, "everything you know is wrong?" As Yoda from Star Wars states, life generates The Force--life creates ch'i.

There is a subtle difference in the Chinese accounting of bioenergy that I do not find well explained in the other systems, which is the difference between Jing and Qi. We do not "consume" Qi, we consume Jing, which is like a set of building blocks to create other forms of bioenergy with. Food has two kinds of fuel in it, the chemical compounds to support the material corpus, and the jing bioenergy to support the cosmic anima. Good food has them in equal proportion. Qi is what you'd call "etheric" in the old days, associated with elemental air. Food that you consume is elemental earth and water. You eat Jing and breathe Qi. So it changes that picture of being a "fruitarian" or such, since Qi is not directly related to the consumption of food.

I think this "ultimate source" for the chi is from equal existance of the material sector and cosmic sector, therefore their reciprocal effect(interaction between the two sides of the same coin, so to speak) is generating various forms of energy and chi being one of them, also according to LB there is many forms of chi, not just the one. Dont know if this is correct enough, but fast deduction of things I've learned so far.

That is essentially correct; life, Larson's "life unit" is about creating a connection between the material and cosmic sectors; connecting the physical with the etheric.

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Thank you very much Daniel.
This was the connection that was escaping me!