Surrounding this topic, there are a few basic questions I think may help to ask.
One: Cro Magnon Man is a hybrid race...Created by the reptilians.. How many roots to the universe left within our flesh? How much "nature" is left?
Two: How do ETs, like the folks from the 1950s friendship project, appear to take on the Cro Magnon/ SM appearance, complete with clothing and attractive male/female normality?
Three: Are we engineered to become to attracted to each other, along the lines of love/reproduction, or is this natures effect sticking around for us?
Four: Are their some people who appear "more SM" than others, as I am beginning to think? Per say, features of the face, figure, blonde hair, ect.
Five: Regarding physical attractiveness; is there a reason we have become far more so, after becoming GMO'd? Id like to know if we are a galactic template, If Cro Magnons actually have a place in the universe; if we are a reoccurring phenomena.. Im beginning to think we are not a new creation..
I send much love to you all, we need it more than ever
The Human Form...
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Re: The Human Form...
Consider whether the following scenario makes sense to you, and whether information you have does give you enough of a reference to support it. Whether you think this is valid or not, that is up to you. I merely present to you the scenario:
Premise: Souls incarnate into various physical forms over long periods of time in order to learn and grow toward a state where they have built capacity and/or ability to engage higher, more intense forms of existence and experience. Without the preceding growth, a soul would be destroyed by the higher forms of existence, just like an electric circuit can only handle a limited amount of current before melting.
Scenario:
Step 1. One of the races in our galaxy transcends the need for their physical bodies (an inaccurate description, but simplified for illustrative purpose). Having evolved to that degree, they also understand the value of a physical environment for maturing a soul. However, they have only established a limited amount of understanding by the time they have evolved to a non-physical state. Without the use of the diverse physical environment and physical incarnation as a tool to learn more about the universe, consciousness, and other types of experiences, their spiritual growth would be greatly slowed down. Some races maintain both physical and non-physical existences consciously (unlike humans, where we, with the rare exception, only maintain an active consciousness in one of these planes at a time). Even if they have physical counterparts that provide them the opportunity of a physical environment to speed up spiritual growth (up to a certain possible degree), they would be limited to the advanced smoothed-out culture that they "came from" (which implies a lack of contrast, change, tension, and other things that catalyze a necessity for the learning of new ways of thinking and doing things, which in turn translates into new experiences, which in turn translates into spiritual growth).
Step 2. They find another race that have a relatively advanced level of consciousness. They evaluate the possibility of entering into that race's physical experience (full of very different ways of thinking and doing things) in order to benefit toward fresh spiritual growth based on these entirely different values, beliefs, ways of thinking and doing, i.e. very different experiences.
Step 3. They find ways of making their consciousness compatible with that race's environment. Each race has very different energetic configurations (some would call frequency to simplify the idea even more) which is partly due to just plain "living differently" and also due to the way that race has evolved in their use of different forms and levels of energy. To simplify the idea u could also use the term bio-energy to cover a broad range of energetic configurations. This process of finding ways of becoming compatible is not easy nor simple. On the one hand, the soul must retain enough of its "native energetic configuration" in order to come back "in one piece" after the incarnation is finished, in order to contribute its experiences to the collective consciousness of that race. On the other hand, it must be compatible enough with the new race's environment in order to be able to function in that environment. Things happen which makes it difficult for them. For instance, they might have amplified mental characteristics that are not common among the "native" population. The rapid increase in Autism might be one such identifying marker, although some dismiss that due to the redefinition of the autistic spectrum, and the over-zealous diagnostic tendencies of mainstream medicine. Compatibility is mostly an energetic configuration issue but may be supported using physical means e.g. genetic engineering to make the consciousness of their race more compatible with the new race.
Step 4. After having find ways of becoming compatible, this first race starts incarnating into the new race's physical experiences. They learn from them, they grow spiritually themselves, and in the end their presence carries an influence on that new race's evolution, primarily in the form of accelerating the new race's evolution.
Step 5. By the time the second race evolves to the same point the first one had, there's a ton of hybrids around. The origins are still distinguishable, but the hybrid race has become a race in its own right already.
Step 6. Rinse and repeat 5 times with 5 different races. (I.e. by this time the "latest race" is a hybrid of 6 races, having integrated traits from all 6 that have formed a most diverse evolved hybrid race.)
Step 7. Arrive at earth. Repeat again.
Conclusion: The human form isn't simply a genetically altered hybrid based on Neanderthal's bloodlines, but it is also energetically altered based on many different other races. Our race contains many different hybrids, not just one or two. Some are from a linear chain of hybridization as explained above. Other hybrid humans are not, and are in fact hybrids from different races with different intentions and agendas for the human race's energetic and physical configuration potential. Some want to participate with us as explorers of the universe and consciousness, contributing their eons of learning and adding it onto our own to co-create a new synergistic existence and experience. Others want to use our unique characteristics to enhance themselves for increased powers of domination over others (both within their own power structures, to vie for greater control, and for dominating other races with new or enhanced abilities acquired from human dna)
Personal Notes: Be careful of only considering one line of evidence or another. One line of thinking, to another. If you wish to "find boundaries" by which to define your definition of "the human form" or anything related to its origins, then go ahead, but remember you WILL find exactly what you are looking for. You may also consider the opportunity to not choose merely one, nor even two definitions of the human form (or its origins), but perhaps grant yourself the freedom to explore many different definitions.
By being willing to explore different definitions of the same thing, you allow yourself the freedom of finding evidence that might point to very different directions, even some, in contrast with those you have found up to this point. Consider the possibility of contradiction and paradox in such findings, not to be a logical flaw, nor an impossibility. Consider them opportunities to view the same things through different perspectives. Consider them tools toward increased objectivity and understanding. Consider them an extension of limiting boundaries that give you greater capacity to deepen your search, by affording you a greater variety of tools to do it with.
Try to consider that you are the Creator. Consider that you can choose what works better for you in order to serve the motivation and purpose you have decided on in this matter, instead of one or another piece of information "choosing for you" what is true. Try to consider that time is not linear, but a 3D landscape. Consider not only moving forward or backward, but sideways. Or up and down even. Consider doing a circle around this topic (i.e. exploring different facets and perspectives on it. Historic, future, alternate truths, etc.) instead of moving in a straight line, and then decide which direction you would like to go from the completed circle, that you find preferable.
Consider this and opportunity, not to learn what another person's perspective is on the human form. Consider an opportunity to create and synthesize your own definition, which will give you the tools to expand your experience in this world (and the next) in a form that you prefer, not in a form that is dictated to you.
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Premise: Souls incarnate into various physical forms over long periods of time in order to learn and grow toward a state where they have built capacity and/or ability to engage higher, more intense forms of existence and experience. Without the preceding growth, a soul would be destroyed by the higher forms of existence, just like an electric circuit can only handle a limited amount of current before melting.
Scenario:
Step 1. One of the races in our galaxy transcends the need for their physical bodies (an inaccurate description, but simplified for illustrative purpose). Having evolved to that degree, they also understand the value of a physical environment for maturing a soul. However, they have only established a limited amount of understanding by the time they have evolved to a non-physical state. Without the use of the diverse physical environment and physical incarnation as a tool to learn more about the universe, consciousness, and other types of experiences, their spiritual growth would be greatly slowed down. Some races maintain both physical and non-physical existences consciously (unlike humans, where we, with the rare exception, only maintain an active consciousness in one of these planes at a time). Even if they have physical counterparts that provide them the opportunity of a physical environment to speed up spiritual growth (up to a certain possible degree), they would be limited to the advanced smoothed-out culture that they "came from" (which implies a lack of contrast, change, tension, and other things that catalyze a necessity for the learning of new ways of thinking and doing things, which in turn translates into new experiences, which in turn translates into spiritual growth).
Step 2. They find another race that have a relatively advanced level of consciousness. They evaluate the possibility of entering into that race's physical experience (full of very different ways of thinking and doing things) in order to benefit toward fresh spiritual growth based on these entirely different values, beliefs, ways of thinking and doing, i.e. very different experiences.
Step 3. They find ways of making their consciousness compatible with that race's environment. Each race has very different energetic configurations (some would call frequency to simplify the idea even more) which is partly due to just plain "living differently" and also due to the way that race has evolved in their use of different forms and levels of energy. To simplify the idea u could also use the term bio-energy to cover a broad range of energetic configurations. This process of finding ways of becoming compatible is not easy nor simple. On the one hand, the soul must retain enough of its "native energetic configuration" in order to come back "in one piece" after the incarnation is finished, in order to contribute its experiences to the collective consciousness of that race. On the other hand, it must be compatible enough with the new race's environment in order to be able to function in that environment. Things happen which makes it difficult for them. For instance, they might have amplified mental characteristics that are not common among the "native" population. The rapid increase in Autism might be one such identifying marker, although some dismiss that due to the redefinition of the autistic spectrum, and the over-zealous diagnostic tendencies of mainstream medicine. Compatibility is mostly an energetic configuration issue but may be supported using physical means e.g. genetic engineering to make the consciousness of their race more compatible with the new race.
Step 4. After having find ways of becoming compatible, this first race starts incarnating into the new race's physical experiences. They learn from them, they grow spiritually themselves, and in the end their presence carries an influence on that new race's evolution, primarily in the form of accelerating the new race's evolution.
Step 5. By the time the second race evolves to the same point the first one had, there's a ton of hybrids around. The origins are still distinguishable, but the hybrid race has become a race in its own right already.
Step 6. Rinse and repeat 5 times with 5 different races. (I.e. by this time the "latest race" is a hybrid of 6 races, having integrated traits from all 6 that have formed a most diverse evolved hybrid race.)
Step 7. Arrive at earth. Repeat again.
Conclusion: The human form isn't simply a genetically altered hybrid based on Neanderthal's bloodlines, but it is also energetically altered based on many different other races. Our race contains many different hybrids, not just one or two. Some are from a linear chain of hybridization as explained above. Other hybrid humans are not, and are in fact hybrids from different races with different intentions and agendas for the human race's energetic and physical configuration potential. Some want to participate with us as explorers of the universe and consciousness, contributing their eons of learning and adding it onto our own to co-create a new synergistic existence and experience. Others want to use our unique characteristics to enhance themselves for increased powers of domination over others (both within their own power structures, to vie for greater control, and for dominating other races with new or enhanced abilities acquired from human dna)
Personal Notes: Be careful of only considering one line of evidence or another. One line of thinking, to another. If you wish to "find boundaries" by which to define your definition of "the human form" or anything related to its origins, then go ahead, but remember you WILL find exactly what you are looking for. You may also consider the opportunity to not choose merely one, nor even two definitions of the human form (or its origins), but perhaps grant yourself the freedom to explore many different definitions.
By being willing to explore different definitions of the same thing, you allow yourself the freedom of finding evidence that might point to very different directions, even some, in contrast with those you have found up to this point. Consider the possibility of contradiction and paradox in such findings, not to be a logical flaw, nor an impossibility. Consider them opportunities to view the same things through different perspectives. Consider them tools toward increased objectivity and understanding. Consider them an extension of limiting boundaries that give you greater capacity to deepen your search, by affording you a greater variety of tools to do it with.
Try to consider that you are the Creator. Consider that you can choose what works better for you in order to serve the motivation and purpose you have decided on in this matter, instead of one or another piece of information "choosing for you" what is true. Try to consider that time is not linear, but a 3D landscape. Consider not only moving forward or backward, but sideways. Or up and down even. Consider doing a circle around this topic (i.e. exploring different facets and perspectives on it. Historic, future, alternate truths, etc.) instead of moving in a straight line, and then decide which direction you would like to go from the completed circle, that you find preferable.
Consider this and opportunity, not to learn what another person's perspective is on the human form. Consider an opportunity to create and synthesize your own definition, which will give you the tools to expand your experience in this world (and the next) in a form that you prefer, not in a form that is dictated to you.
Has this post helped you?
Re: The Human Form...
First of all.... to infinity...
Brilliantly stated!!
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On the topic of human form, what I can lend is this; I'm in the process right now of reading and learning about the who's who of who hand their hands in the human gene soup. From the pieces that are coming together, it seems that there was created here when Earth/Terra was young, a guardian race for this planet as a living library of sorts that houses flora and fauna that served as teachers, and as a galactic or perhaps even a universal medicinal index, and these beings were highly evolved, multi-dimensional, and naive. It seems that this race was existing here already when the SMs came and starting playing their competitive games for material resources, and general glory for the family. They've left us believing that they took neanderthal, upgraded it, and viola, we have Cro-magnon man. It seems to me that instead, we were hybridized of that evolved race, but with limitations put into place.. dna manipulation, soul memory wiping, etc. so that we'd make good slaves/sources of energy. The ones that created the evolved being put something into the code, a key, so that if there was some form of tampering done, at the right time an activation back towards the original perfect template would occur, and I think we're experiencing that now. (The joke here being that in order to reach the 'perfect' state we have to realize that we're already perfect as we are, only experiencing life from our unique frame of reference and understanding, no less and no more, than any other being in existence)
I spent a lot of time while I was wrapped up in the new age movement trying to pin down my galactic roots. I disassociated myself with humanity, had it in my head that I was here from Sirius B (this is pushed as a very Aryan looking, benevolent group, whereas the truth is much the opposite... SM home... good job to the mental manipulators!) and that my true home was there. After I woke up out of that dream, I realized that regardless of where I feel a connection to, and whether it's written into my DNA, or if it's something that was psychologically programmed, I am here, I am human. This is my home. Do I expect to have a pokemon or dragonball Z type evolution at some point and change from this form to another? No, at least not in the 3rd dimensional physical sense. I intend to learn as much about this body as I can, knowing that it is unique from all other species anywhere else, and that we have the potential to experience the uni/multi/omniverse in a way that is unique and specific to us. I feel that at some point in the future, we will be teachers to other races that are looking to evolve, but that's neither here nor now, at least not in a 3d physical sense, so I've decided that for me at least, the focus has to be on humanity. Meeting people, sharing ideas and insights, getting to know a person at soul level. Therein we have the opportunity to unlock potential in each other that has been lying dormant for who knows how long, and this forum is a perfect example for how this can be accomplished. I feel myself growing with you all, even though we've never met, and all we are to each other are little black squiggly lines and an avatar. I can see/feel the dynamic of the group changing and growing, and it's very exciting to think that this could be applied on a global scale. Might take many more frames of linear time for this to come to fruition, but I know that it's possible. Not giving up on us humans just yet!
Brilliantly stated!!
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On the topic of human form, what I can lend is this; I'm in the process right now of reading and learning about the who's who of who hand their hands in the human gene soup. From the pieces that are coming together, it seems that there was created here when Earth/Terra was young, a guardian race for this planet as a living library of sorts that houses flora and fauna that served as teachers, and as a galactic or perhaps even a universal medicinal index, and these beings were highly evolved, multi-dimensional, and naive. It seems that this race was existing here already when the SMs came and starting playing their competitive games for material resources, and general glory for the family. They've left us believing that they took neanderthal, upgraded it, and viola, we have Cro-magnon man. It seems to me that instead, we were hybridized of that evolved race, but with limitations put into place.. dna manipulation, soul memory wiping, etc. so that we'd make good slaves/sources of energy. The ones that created the evolved being put something into the code, a key, so that if there was some form of tampering done, at the right time an activation back towards the original perfect template would occur, and I think we're experiencing that now. (The joke here being that in order to reach the 'perfect' state we have to realize that we're already perfect as we are, only experiencing life from our unique frame of reference and understanding, no less and no more, than any other being in existence)
I spent a lot of time while I was wrapped up in the new age movement trying to pin down my galactic roots. I disassociated myself with humanity, had it in my head that I was here from Sirius B (this is pushed as a very Aryan looking, benevolent group, whereas the truth is much the opposite... SM home... good job to the mental manipulators!) and that my true home was there. After I woke up out of that dream, I realized that regardless of where I feel a connection to, and whether it's written into my DNA, or if it's something that was psychologically programmed, I am here, I am human. This is my home. Do I expect to have a pokemon or dragonball Z type evolution at some point and change from this form to another? No, at least not in the 3rd dimensional physical sense. I intend to learn as much about this body as I can, knowing that it is unique from all other species anywhere else, and that we have the potential to experience the uni/multi/omniverse in a way that is unique and specific to us. I feel that at some point in the future, we will be teachers to other races that are looking to evolve, but that's neither here nor now, at least not in a 3d physical sense, so I've decided that for me at least, the focus has to be on humanity. Meeting people, sharing ideas and insights, getting to know a person at soul level. Therein we have the opportunity to unlock potential in each other that has been lying dormant for who knows how long, and this forum is a perfect example for how this can be accomplished. I feel myself growing with you all, even though we've never met, and all we are to each other are little black squiggly lines and an avatar. I can see/feel the dynamic of the group changing and growing, and it's very exciting to think that this could be applied on a global scale. Might take many more frames of linear time for this to come to fruition, but I know that it's possible. Not giving up on us humans just yet!
"Living is not necessary, but navigation is." --Pompey
"Navigation is necessary in order to live." --Me
"Navigation is necessary in order to live." --Me
Re: The Human Form...
Could you reference some of the source material where you're reading about all of this?joeyv23 wrote:First of all.... to infinity...
On the topic of human form, what I can lend is this; I'm in the process right now of reading and learning about the who's who of who hand their hands in the human gene soup. From the pieces that are coming together, it seems that there was created here when Earth/Terra was young, a guardian race for this planet as a living library of sorts that houses flora and fauna that served as teachers, and as a galactic or perhaps even a universal medicinal index, and these beings were highly evolved, multi-dimensional, and naive. It seems that this race was existing here already when the SMs came and starting playing their competitive games for material resources, and general glory for the family. They've left us believing that they took neanderthal, upgraded it, and viola, we have Cro-magnon man. It seems to me that instead, we were hybridized of that evolved race, but with limitations put into place.. dna manipulation, soul memory wiping, etc. so that we'd make good slaves/sources of energy. The ones that created the evolved being put something into the code, a key, so that if there was some form of tampering done, at the right time an activation back towards the original perfect template would occur, and I think we're experiencing that now. (The joke here being that in order to reach the 'perfect' state we have to realize that we're already perfect as we are, only experiencing life from our unique frame of reference and understanding, no less and no more, than any other being in existence))
I'd be very interested in exploring it myself.
Thanks.
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You may decide whether its a good thing or a bad thing, but we are already sources of learning for other races. With varying agendas ranging from exploitation to growing in consciousness. Make it countI feel that at some point in the future, we will be teachers to other races that are looking to evolve, but that's neither here nor now, at least not in a 3d physical sense
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wespenre.comMrGreen wrote:Could you reference some of the source material where you're reading about all of this?
I'd be very interested in exploring it myself.
Thanks.
I think I followed the link to his set of papers from another post here actually. I'm about halfway through his 2nd level of learning out of 4, and so far, about 90% of what he's written vibes with me. There was one section in a paper where he was talking about a race called the Anima, who are supposedly coming to become our new keepers, but I feel like this is some form of disinformation, considering what we know here about the Anima.
It's a lot of material, but worth the time. It fits in nicely with the daniel papers, and with research that's been/is being done at Antiquatis.
Ah, but what is good and what is bad?infinity wrote:You may decide whether its a good thing or a bad thing, but we are already sources of learning for other races. With varying agendas ranging from exploitation to growing in consciousness. Make it countI feel that at some point in the future, we will be teachers to other races that are looking to evolve, but that's neither here nor now, at least not in a 3d physical sense
You're very right we're already sources of learning for others already. As for making it count.. I'd say that it counts regardless of how events/circumstances unfold. If it didn't it wouldn't happen. Whether it's perceived externally as having been a good relationship or a bad one, that's for the next person to say, because to me, since they're both good and bad depending on who you ask, they are at the same time both good and bad, and therefore neither."Living is not necessary, but navigation is." --Pompey
"Navigation is necessary in order to live." --Me
"Navigation is necessary in order to live." --Me
Re: The Human Form...
I humbly have to disagree here. Having just finished reading the four levels of Penre's material, it strikes me as being predominantly based on channeled material with a good dose of redaction and personnal interpretations of his that do not echo daniel's understanding of the SM interaction with Earth. Furthermore, Penre proposes that En.ki and not En.Lil is the main character responsable with everything negative that happenned to humans and if you have remember, daniel is pretty adam*ant (pun intended) in his writings that on the contrary En.Ki protected and supported independant human evolution and even went to war against En.Lil. This is a major point of contention but I will leave the matter to daniel if he wishes to further explain...joeyv23 wrote: It's a lot of material, but worth the time. It fits in nicely with the daniel papers, and with research that's been/is being done at Antiquatis.
To quote him: "The Universe is not a bureaucracy, so you don't have to go through channels."
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I don't disagree, there is contention between his view and daniel's. And I do see where he's stuck at (or at least was stuck at when he wrote the first two levels) but he's onto the same info that's being discussed here, minus an understanding of RS. What I appreciate about his work is that he understands that taking info from channeled material is sketchy, and by reading between the lines, trying to take the baby OUT of the bathwater before throwing it away, my thought patterns follow what I've read so far about the god family's interaction. It's just another line of thought to the psyche. I know very well the pitfalls of believing in material that's coming from metaphysical sources, and Penre presents them as exactly that, channeled material that we have to use personal discernment against. It's not the love and light, saviors, ascended masters kind of thing, and it's like he says quite often, it's how he's taking the info that he's gotten, and for us to take what fits. A good bit of it fits with what I've learned, and it's because of the daniel papers and studying at Antiquatis, that I can see what he's getting at, but also see some of the pieces that he's missing. His lack (at least so far) of understanding about RS in relationship to metaphysics is, in my opinion, one of the biggest things to work out.Lozion wrote:I humbly have to disagree here. Having just finished reading the four levels of Penre's material, it strikes me as being predominantly based on channeled material with a good dose of redaction and personnal interpretations of his that do not echo daniel's understanding of the SM interaction with Earth. Furthermore, Penre proposes that En.ki and not En.Lil is the main character responsable with everything negative that happenned to humans and if you have remember, daniel is pretty adam*ant (pun intended) in his writings that on the contrary En.Ki protected and supported independant human evolution and even went to war against En.Lil. This is a major point of contention but I will leave the matter to daniel if he wishes to further explain...joeyv23 wrote: It's a lot of material, but worth the time. It fits in nicely with the daniel papers, and with research that's been/is being done at Antiquatis.
To quote him: "The Universe is not a bureaucracy, so you don't have to go through channels."
"Living is not necessary, but navigation is." --Pompey
"Navigation is necessary in order to live." --Me
"Navigation is necessary in order to live." --Me
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On the topic of "ascended masters", I just want to mention that there are the 13 elders known more widely through the 13 crystal skulls they used - who are very legitimately sticking around (even though they don't need to) to help out the human race in a way that does not take responsibility away from the human race nor interferes with our spiritual journey.
I suspect the "archetype" of this small group of highly evolved beings might have been hijacked by those who would use it for their own means, and portrayed them as these "saviors".
The names that we use to refer to them might confuse the real deal with the hope porn version. I don't think they'd call themselves "ascended masters", because the real deal would rather see themselves as "privileged co-creators" of the human race's future in the form of assisting us in a responsible and cooperative way. They don't see themselves as better than us, nor presuming that we want or need or should "get saved".
Let us be careful to look at everything with piercing eyes that do not close the doors on the real deals that might've been perverted and portrayed as symbols of something different.
I hope I'm making sense here and not adding confusion.
I suspect the "archetype" of this small group of highly evolved beings might have been hijacked by those who would use it for their own means, and portrayed them as these "saviors".
The names that we use to refer to them might confuse the real deal with the hope porn version. I don't think they'd call themselves "ascended masters", because the real deal would rather see themselves as "privileged co-creators" of the human race's future in the form of assisting us in a responsible and cooperative way. They don't see themselves as better than us, nor presuming that we want or need or should "get saved".
Let us be careful to look at everything with piercing eyes that do not close the doors on the real deals that might've been perverted and portrayed as symbols of something different.
I hope I'm making sense here and not adding confusion.