intro/ what is real

[daniel]

It is accessible. Many People have no apparent drive or work ethic in their hunt for the truths.

That is true now for "civilized" societies. Another reciprocal relationship exists between civilization and work ethic--the less civilized a society, the higher the work ethic, because it is necessary to survive. As more and more things are done FOR you, the less desire you have to DO anything, yourself.

Maybe humanity will suddenly get to a point where its time to work.

It has long been a goal for humanity to "let machines do the work," so he has time to pursue the things that machines cannot. Based on observation, what happened was not what the old Philosophers anticipated, as it is apparently sex, drugs and violence.

Or perhaps the hundredth monkey effect, will allow a jump in awareness.

I think the 7-billion monkey effect has precedence.

Or growth events in their personal lives, in a collective trauma , or macro in a earth growth event or such could make the difference.
Lately I feel that when I work on my own reality, focusing on growth while being in rapport with others, along with dropping the energy I was putting into what I suspected the government was planning next. Well it seems to give me a jump.
A teacher once said, in the airplane they direct us to put on our masks, if the pressure fails, prior to helping another. We need to focus on us to give us a chance of the abilities to help others.

That's what the Antiquatis Sanctuary project was about... getting enough people to work together to advance themselves in rapport, to be those folks in the gas masks when the pressure finally drops to unbearable. It's a shame there really hasn't been a way to make it work in our world these days.

[MrTwig]

Karma is just the biological version of Newton's laws: for every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction.

But since life is split with a body in space and a soul in time, the "equal and opposite" tends to push the other aspect; indulgence in the material (body/space) has consequences for the cosmic (soul/time). And vice-versa. Since the soul is nonlocal to the body, the soul is connected to several bodies, distributed across clock time--incarnations, for a "soul purpose." So when the soul is doing it's "equal and opposite reaction" thing, it tends to influence the bodies of those other incarnations, past and future. Since the past has already had its consciousness present, the consequence tends to be towards the future incarnations, which are still kind of "templates" your consciousness is planning to inhabit at a later clock time.

The reciprocal relation between things can be quite revealing!

Amen Brother! I knew there was more to it than what is taught. Still trying to grasp all the concepts of reciprocal theory but each time I read or "listen" to you daniel what I think about becomes more clear. My problem is that saying what you say just doesn't come easy if you've spent a life time of backwards thinking.

[infinity]

So when the soul is doing it's "equal and opposite reaction" thing, it tends to influence the bodies of those other incarnations, past and future. Since the past has already had its consciousness present, the consequence tends to be towards the future incarnations, which are still kind of "templates" your consciousness is planning to inhabit at a later clock time.

Hmm. I'm gonna have to chew on that. Very intriguing perspective I have to admit I keep underestimating the ability of the RS2 framework as a Theory of Everything. I'd like to talk more about what you just shared after I chew on this a bit. I get the feeling there's a lot more to this than the words I'm reading here - as if it contains more layers of meaning that I yet need to pierce. Almost like a fractal - the basic pattern is plain, but its implications are almost magical.

Ok so following this line of thought, wouldn't it mean that any kind of action, including GOOD ones, will affect not only future lives, but also past ones?

On a second note, this reminds me of the gypsy-type curses spoken of on AQ (I think it was there? Or was it here on CH?) - how those can affect you over multiple lifetimes and can be a pain to get rid of. But from the sound of reciprocal relationships, that's the default for any kind of 'curse' effect. And be implication so would any 'blessing' effect.

In fact, this would count for anything and everything - i.e. everything affects us over multiple lifetimes, past and future.

Or is my thinking flawed here?

If this is right, then it becomes quite important for us to be true to ourselves and to make the most of life because it really does span 'eternity' in its effect. A most sobering thought.

The thing I can't figure out completely though, is then how do the 'bad guys' really get away with 'skipping the karmic' effect then? Since it would not also affect past and future but also the present? Does that not mean that no one escapes the consequences of their actions?

[Ilkka]

Ok so following this line of thought, wouldn't it mean that any kind of action, including GOOD ones, will affect not only future lives, but also past ones?

On a second note, this reminds me of the gypsy-type curses spoken of on AQ (I think it was there? Or was it here on CH?) - how those can affect you over multiple lifetimes and can be a pain to get rid of. But from the sound of reciprocal relationships, that's the default for any kind of 'curse' effect. And be implication so would any 'blessing' effect.

In fact, this would count for anything and everything - i.e. everything affects us over multiple lifetimes, past and future.

Or is my thinking flawed here?

If this is right, then it becomes quite important for us to be true to ourselves and to make the most of life because it really does span 'eternity' in its effect. A most sobering thought.

I think it is a basic rule, "no good deed will go unpunished" or however it went you get the point I presume

About the curse effect I think the more energy is poured into one curse the longer it "lingers" in someones consciousness or beingness. I mean of course that the energy must be on the cosmic sector, where it can exist more longer. Same goes for blessings, for it would be only natural to have it go both ways.

The thing I can't figure out completely though, is then how do the 'bad guys' really get away with 'skipping the karmic' effect then? Since it would not also affect past and future but also the present? Does that not mean that no one escapes the consequences of their actions?

You have to take "time" into equation. It might only seem that the get away with it, true for awhile, for the time being they get away with it. They might also be blessed to get away with it, for the time being. In the relatively distant future they might experience enormous amount of mischief, or they have had it before, and now giving it back. They might be blessed and cursed at the same time, to act with their egos and be negative etc. and still they might be blessed to be positive towards some other side.

I think that the consequences cant be escaped, because if there would be only you who would know about the things you've done and took the knowledge to your grave in the end, the universe knows, or atleast your higher consciousness/spirit quide/whatever it is called, ethical self has the information needed to reconcile with the things that was done.

[daniel]

Ok so following this line of thought, wouldn't it mean that any kind of action, including GOOD ones, will affect not only future lives, but also past ones?

Yes. You have to think of multiple incarnations like an extended body--all connected. If you are walking down the road and your foot slips on a banana peel, then the rest of you goes in response. That is essentially how karma works, but across incarnations. It's just a little more elastic in the process.

Most people consider "past lives" as over and done with, totally unchangeable. Try considering a different perspective... that your past lives are "living" right along with this one, and you are all effecting each other, real-time. That you are more of a gestalt entity--one that spans multiple bodies and souls, through time and space. They all affect each other, which is why you get those intuitions on what is right/wrong--other lives pulling in specific directions when certain circumstances arise.

On a second note, this reminds me of the gypsy-type curses spoken of on AQ (I think it was there? Or was it here on CH?) - how those can affect you over multiple lifetimes and can be a pain to get rid of. But from the sound of reciprocal relationships, that's the default for any kind of 'curse' effect. And be implication so would any 'blessing' effect.

Curses affect the soul--the body responds to the change in the soul. Since the soul is nonlocal (cosmic), it is connected to multiple "body" incarnations, so not only can a curse affect you, now, but you in the future and you in the past.

One of the things that the RS teaches is that time is 3-dimensional, so the trick is to stop thinking of that "arrow of time" we are always taught, and start thinking of it as movement through a landscape. There are a bunch of you walking around that landscape, leaving paths in the dirt (your "past") and still out exploring the terrain. If one life knocks a tree over the path, another life may come along and have to change their path to get around the obstruction you just made. Of course, that lifetime may heave the log out of the way and throw it into the woods, just where you happen to be camped out, and clobber your tent. In which case, you want to get even...

Once you understand this "internal causality" across time, you can see how karma works, and why many people tend to cause their own problems, battling with self. The psyche works the same way with unconscious content.

The thing I can't figure out completely though, is then how do the 'bad guys' really get away with 'skipping the karmic' effect then? Since it would not also affect past and future but also the present? Does that not mean that no one escapes the consequences of their actions?

Karma works with the spirit complex, that ethical part beyond space and time, as it is the connecting link between body and soul. They have two options: first, don't enter the reincarnation cycle, so you don't have more than one life in your landscape. Second, don't evolve sufficiently to develop an ethical spirit.

[evan]

Good stuff here.
It makes me think of the mystical concepts of as above so below and as within so without
It seems the universal law of cause and effect. I find that if I give love to mother earth (or any )in some way it is returned or if I feed a fire the heat increases .
If I love, or rapport( same thing) I begin to lessen karma ( or eliminate) as love for all and or ourselves returns closer and closer to the moment as our recognition of all as one increases . If I make ripples of hate it is returned and as I must defend from the surety of hate being returned down the road and I lose the chance of the present moment creating my karmic smack ( or in the past as I may wonder if I told the right lie yesterday)

We are energy beings. Thickened in ( the appearance of )matter in this level and thinned into the matter less on the opposite. But still the same essential spark on either flank. So if we are just flipping from one facet to the next we are still in the same conscious experience( perhaps unconscious of it albeit). So if we consider each life as a day and each spirit moment as night, we are simply still affected by what happened 11 weeks ago. Hopefully not as absorbed with those instances as we are about the last couple days. Those last couple days set up our likely experiences of the next few days more so.
The goal is to become aware and Intune with the energy we are in the now. Thereby not stuck in the past or the future and freed of the waves of the karma in yesterday and tomorrow.

[Lozion]

Karma works with the spirit complex, that ethical part beyond space and time, as it is the connecting link between body and soul. They have two options: first, don't enter the reincarnation cycle, so you don't have more than one life in your landscape. Second, don't evolve sufficiently to develop an ethical spirit.

Somehow, I thought these NWO types would re-enter a newborn's body upon death via complex rituals. A way of cheating the re-incarnation process or ?

[Ilkka]

Karma works with the spirit complex, that ethical part beyond space and time, as it is the connecting link between body and soul. They have two options: first, don't enter the reincarnation cycle, so you don't have more than one life in your landscape. Second, don't evolve sufficiently to develop an ethical spirit.

Somehow, I thought these NWO types would re-enter a newborn's body upon death via complex rituals. A way of cheating the re-incarnation process or ?

There is interesting series called "Intruders" that is sort of like soul entering ones body, however it is more intruding since it is done to older people in the series. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3552166/?ref_=nv_sr_2

I was quite intrigued by this serie, dont know if it continues though.

[daniel]

Somehow, I thought these NWO types would re-enter a newborn's body upon death via complex rituals. A way of cheating the re-incarnation process or ?

That's the way the Llamas do it in Tibet... interesting process, if you've ever studied it. But of course, you need an empty vessel... body, mind but no spirit. Kind of like a good slave.

[Djchrismac]

Somehow, I thought these NWO types would re-enter a newborn's body upon death via complex rituals. A way of cheating the re-incarnation process or ?

That's the way the Llamas do it in Tibet... interesting process, if you've ever studied it. But of course, you need an empty vessel... body, mind but no spirit. Kind of like a good slave.

“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”

Sounds like any celebrity to me!