I had to pose this question in this group ,as I havent seen a "dominant" topic involving this road
And as I pass my days on this plane ,I experience what I experience ,and see ,hear ,feel stuff
Since born I had this curiosity (im a gemini ) to gossip and see what Is going out there .Became a MASTER in auditory venues(well basically switched from visual to auditory at 5 years old(i remember it till this day )
So I dont hear,see ,people seeking enlightment .Maybe I 'm an old fart(38 years old ) and things changed from my youth
So ,anyways ,dont want to spend your time further
I would be glad to assist anyone in that direction
It can be done ,and quite fast ,at our days
It was like 4 or 5 years ago ,when I read that somewhere ,and I remember freaking out (some article about brainwave entrainment) .I was like .FUCK ...
And at that time i was reading : Zen-Brain reflections by James H. Austin ( http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Brain-Reflect ... 0262514850 ) =excellent ,and at some point it mentioned about the reversing of polarities or something in the brain ,and freaked out.
The very description freaked me out .Its clear to me now ,that indeed ,for it to happen ,the third eye-pineal gland has to be activated .No biggy (in 10-14 days that can be achieved) !!!
Reality is stranger than fiction
Is getting enlightened passé ?
Moderator:daniel
Re: Is getting enlightened passé ?
Thanks for your invitation and your good intentions lizard69. I am going to respond in a way that may seem very critical, but please consider whether there is any value in it for you. If not, just ignore what I said. Sometimes brutal honesty is the best gift a fellow seeker can give another. Even if it does come with a bitter aftertaste.
After looking up the meaning of that word, passé, I was very surprised at your question.
passé
ˈpaseɪ/
adjective
no longer fashionable; out of date.
"minis are passé—the best skirts are knee-length"
synonyms: out of date, outdated, out, dated, unfashionable, out of fashion, old-fashioned, outmoded, out of style, behind the times, outworn, archaic, obsolescent, obsolete, ancient, antiquated, superannuated, defunct, dead, old-fogeyish, old-fangled, quaint, anachronistic, olde worlde, medieval;
It sounds to me like the enlightenment you are talking about is not the kind of spiritual maturation that I am seeking. So perhaps, for me then, yes, its "out of fashion". Perhaps when you find the real thing, as opposed to some quick and easy technique for getting goose-bump "spiritual" experiences, then we can talk again. Because the real thing will never be talked about like this. In fact, the real thing seldom gets talked about at all. Its a bit too precious to be publicly peddled. When you truly experience any degree of the real thing, you will get an unmistakable sense of deep respect and honor for it. Yes - in a serious tone. In fact, you might even feel that you would rather lose your life than dishonor that precious gift. No matter how small or how great a degree of it you were graced with.
It is obvious that you seem to project really good intentions. But I am sorry to say that while you might have access to some "abilities", it is evident from your demeanor that they are more like toys are to a child than they are treasured protected jewels which you will only even show the most sincere fellow seeker or most trusted friend. When someone shares something truly precious, it needs not be "marketed". The person hearing it will naturally discern the value in it for themselves.
Your seeming good intentions are not actually all that good. If you dig deeper you might find that you are looking for validation from others by "giving" them something in order to get what you are really looking for. Rather work on that fountain of living water pouring from your own being. Its much more rewarding than trying to make "transactions" of service to others in return for a sense of validation.
I know it seems like I am always critical of what you post, and perhaps that is very unfair of me. But my aim is to try and show you a completely different reference point, a completely different perspective. One that some are definitely thinking but are too damn good-mannered to voice it.
Perhaps many of those seeking enlightenment are not talking about it around you because they don't recognize the characteristics of an enlightened being in you. I assure you, people are talking about enlightenment all the time. They might not use that word though. When you "are" enlightened (instead of "doing" enlightenment and "talking" enlightenment), then you will be a natural magnet and never need to say a word. Yet people will come to see if they can learn something from you.
What you may not realize, is that you always have this "wall" around you of how "special" you are by the way you keep making yourself sound so good and how everyone else is "losing out" because they don't "have what you have". That wall just keeps most people at a distance. If you demonstrate the need to make yourself sound so credible or acceptable to others, then chances are that you have some work to do on yourself first. When you are comfortable with making yourself vulnerable at appropriate times or in appropriate contexts, and people see you make yourself vulnerable to share a precious jewel you have - then it will be welcomed with an open heart by those that are in the right place to receive it. When one person is willing to learn something from another, it is an act of vulnerability to some degree. A willingness to open oneself to another. But why would someone do that with a person that have these "walls" around them and aren't willing to open themselves up to be learned from?
The kind of learning you are marketing is unfortunately not something that a piece of information can give. A real special connection between the 'teacher' and the 'learner' must be established, and it is a commitment that does not take a handful of days using some tricks. The saying "easy come easy go" is true for a reason. If something is easy and cheap then it is because it doesn't truly hold much value. Anything of real value takes real work. And the stuff you are talking about is far from some "secret formula" that almost instantly transforms people into enlightened beings in just days.
Perhaps the different perspective and reference points I have given with this post is not useful to you, and I can accept that. I do hope that there is something you might find interesting enough to explore further though. And yes, you are completely entitled to be super-angry with me for being so damn rude. In fact, it is my very purpose to provoke you. I will provoke you because despite the unconscious parts of yourself you have yet to deal with, you are putting yourself out there and trying to make a difference. And that I can respect and honor. But I will respect and honor it by provoking you into dealing with the stuff inside yourself that needs your attention. I will provoke you even if I am unwelcome to do it and I have no right to do it. It is my duty to give you the opportunity that others might be too damn good mannered to give you. The opportunity to be a mirror for you so that you might experience a kind of enlightenment that you might not want, but that you need if you are serious about it.
The best gift of enlightenment we can give each other is to be a mirror for each other so we can see ourselves more clearly in each other. That mirror may in time become a portal or gateway one can step through to a next challenge, but until the current challenge is mastered, the current challenge is not yet transcended. The reflection in the mirror is merciless and sleepless. It will not open the doorway to what lies beyond until it is faced.
After looking up the meaning of that word, passé, I was very surprised at your question.
passé
ˈpaseɪ/
adjective
no longer fashionable; out of date.
"minis are passé—the best skirts are knee-length"
synonyms: out of date, outdated, out, dated, unfashionable, out of fashion, old-fashioned, outmoded, out of style, behind the times, outworn, archaic, obsolescent, obsolete, ancient, antiquated, superannuated, defunct, dead, old-fogeyish, old-fangled, quaint, anachronistic, olde worlde, medieval;
It sounds to me like the enlightenment you are talking about is not the kind of spiritual maturation that I am seeking. So perhaps, for me then, yes, its "out of fashion". Perhaps when you find the real thing, as opposed to some quick and easy technique for getting goose-bump "spiritual" experiences, then we can talk again. Because the real thing will never be talked about like this. In fact, the real thing seldom gets talked about at all. Its a bit too precious to be publicly peddled. When you truly experience any degree of the real thing, you will get an unmistakable sense of deep respect and honor for it. Yes - in a serious tone. In fact, you might even feel that you would rather lose your life than dishonor that precious gift. No matter how small or how great a degree of it you were graced with.
It is obvious that you seem to project really good intentions. But I am sorry to say that while you might have access to some "abilities", it is evident from your demeanor that they are more like toys are to a child than they are treasured protected jewels which you will only even show the most sincere fellow seeker or most trusted friend. When someone shares something truly precious, it needs not be "marketed". The person hearing it will naturally discern the value in it for themselves.
Your seeming good intentions are not actually all that good. If you dig deeper you might find that you are looking for validation from others by "giving" them something in order to get what you are really looking for. Rather work on that fountain of living water pouring from your own being. Its much more rewarding than trying to make "transactions" of service to others in return for a sense of validation.
I know it seems like I am always critical of what you post, and perhaps that is very unfair of me. But my aim is to try and show you a completely different reference point, a completely different perspective. One that some are definitely thinking but are too damn good-mannered to voice it.
Perhaps many of those seeking enlightenment are not talking about it around you because they don't recognize the characteristics of an enlightened being in you. I assure you, people are talking about enlightenment all the time. They might not use that word though. When you "are" enlightened (instead of "doing" enlightenment and "talking" enlightenment), then you will be a natural magnet and never need to say a word. Yet people will come to see if they can learn something from you.
What you may not realize, is that you always have this "wall" around you of how "special" you are by the way you keep making yourself sound so good and how everyone else is "losing out" because they don't "have what you have". That wall just keeps most people at a distance. If you demonstrate the need to make yourself sound so credible or acceptable to others, then chances are that you have some work to do on yourself first. When you are comfortable with making yourself vulnerable at appropriate times or in appropriate contexts, and people see you make yourself vulnerable to share a precious jewel you have - then it will be welcomed with an open heart by those that are in the right place to receive it. When one person is willing to learn something from another, it is an act of vulnerability to some degree. A willingness to open oneself to another. But why would someone do that with a person that have these "walls" around them and aren't willing to open themselves up to be learned from?
The kind of learning you are marketing is unfortunately not something that a piece of information can give. A real special connection between the 'teacher' and the 'learner' must be established, and it is a commitment that does not take a handful of days using some tricks. The saying "easy come easy go" is true for a reason. If something is easy and cheap then it is because it doesn't truly hold much value. Anything of real value takes real work. And the stuff you are talking about is far from some "secret formula" that almost instantly transforms people into enlightened beings in just days.
Perhaps the different perspective and reference points I have given with this post is not useful to you, and I can accept that. I do hope that there is something you might find interesting enough to explore further though. And yes, you are completely entitled to be super-angry with me for being so damn rude. In fact, it is my very purpose to provoke you. I will provoke you because despite the unconscious parts of yourself you have yet to deal with, you are putting yourself out there and trying to make a difference. And that I can respect and honor. But I will respect and honor it by provoking you into dealing with the stuff inside yourself that needs your attention. I will provoke you even if I am unwelcome to do it and I have no right to do it. It is my duty to give you the opportunity that others might be too damn good mannered to give you. The opportunity to be a mirror for you so that you might experience a kind of enlightenment that you might not want, but that you need if you are serious about it.
The best gift of enlightenment we can give each other is to be a mirror for each other so we can see ourselves more clearly in each other. That mirror may in time become a portal or gateway one can step through to a next challenge, but until the current challenge is mastered, the current challenge is not yet transcended. The reflection in the mirror is merciless and sleepless. It will not open the doorway to what lies beyond until it is faced.
Re: Is getting enlightened passé ?
About 2 years back I was in similar situation all that excitement and overzealous feelings towards this "new" knowledge and eagerness to share it with others, I was full of light back then in a sense. Then I got back to more balaced state of mind and being to re-evaluate things, because of the RS/RS2 and Daniels papers with inclusion of few other reading materials. I couldnt "convert" any of my friends and family so I decided to seek more knowledge instead of "religious" based information that needs just believing in some "higher than thou" being, even if it is onipotent, omnipresent and conscious energy field, but I'm open for it also, maybe it exists even as such and needs just to "tune in to hear it". Nope, nothing. I cant hear it, only myself speaking these words in my mind and I dont know why I do eveninfinity wrote:It sounds to me like the enlightenment you are talking about is not the kind of spiritual maturation that I am seeking. So perhaps, for me then, yes, its "out of fashion". Perhaps when you find the real thing, as opposed to some quick and easy technique for getting goose-bump "spiritual" experiences, then we can talk again. Because the real thing will never be talked about like this. In fact, the real thing seldom gets talked about at all. Its a bit too precious to be publicly peddled. When you truly experience any degree of the real thing, you will get an unmistakable sense of deep respect and honor for it. Yes - in a serious tone. In fact, you might even feel that you would rather lose your life than dishonor that precious gift. No matter how small or how great a degree of it you were graced with.
It is obvious that you seem to project really good intentions. But I am sorry to say that while you might have access to some "abilities", it is evident from your demeanor that they are more like toys are to a child than they are treasured protected jewels which you will only even show the most sincere fellow seeker or most trusted friend. When someone shares something truly precious, it needs not be "marketed". The person hearing it will naturally discern the value in it for themselves.
I think one needs to go through this "enlightenment" first in order to see more perspectives though. It might be neccesary for some, however when you reach enlightnment what then? What is next? I think more of it and beyond so one should seek it even further to evolve more. What would "mother earth" do? The natural thing would be quite likely constant progress and adaption to new things. We are always moving arent we?
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lizard69
Re: Is getting enlightened passé ?
Hello Infinity
I can relate and identify with what you are saying
Mirror - mirror on the wall
heheh .you know I laugh cause ,all these ideas,dialogues have been said before .
The resistance and such .Duality ,acceleration and deceleration of time etc
My Teacher was Osho
I literally grew up with him
All these endless stories,koans,Mulla Nasruddin's farout adventures,zen masters hitting their students with sticks hahaha
And Osho provided me with all this .All the material .The Occult knowledge,to get a grasp of what enlightenment feels like
Ahh,and the suprise I got ,when analyzed his chart in the Human Design system,and his calibration on the HAwkins scale (level of conciousness ) 570 and then fell to 180 ! (some discussions in the forums about this.If I recall well,his LOC fell once he got in the States .....now wonder(they sucked him and he was drained=a true martyr after all ) http://2travel.org/Files/DHawkins/Calibrate.pdf
I could talk for hours and hours about the EGO also .Its a very funny subject after all .Know what I mean ?
The I ,and the need to preserve it .Its hillarious if you think about it .Its like a safety net in a machine(us humans).It has to be understood,de-activated(sort of ) in order to SEE
So ,dear Infinity ,I was referring in the post about the destruction of the EGO .http://www.humandesign.com/heart-or-ego-center
Please take some time and read that .I beleive that once grasped ,you will laugh .We will all laugh and be happy again.
Cause we have been conditioned(=lied ) in he MAia .Big time
And its not the fault of anyone .
Its just how the programme operates .Its automatic (as RA said.(=the founder of this system >> Human Design )
De- conditioning is the KEY for enlightmen .What I propose ,is not some quick fix .Its a combination of various tools from different "schools" (meditation,brainwave entertainment, shocks (Gurdjieff) ,crystal therapy ,cleaning of enrgies(reboot in a ay ) ,use of substances (herbs,drugs,foods) etc
Nothing new basically
All I am saying is this : Why not circulate that Knowledge once and for all
Why keep it a SECRET
I mean what the fuck ???
Back in the DARK AGES ??
Keep it in the family and RULE over those that are un-aware ?
No no my friend
Personally ,I apply what I say.Practically .No more theories for me
I give freely of myself expecting nothing.I go with the wind (im a gemini .the messenger .I can be heretic .I am basically and there is nothing wich can stop me .I am FREE.)
Slavery is a choice
I can relate and identify with what you are saying
Mirror - mirror on the wall
heheh .you know I laugh cause ,all these ideas,dialogues have been said before .
The resistance and such .Duality ,acceleration and deceleration of time etc
My Teacher was Osho
I literally grew up with him
All these endless stories,koans,Mulla Nasruddin's farout adventures,zen masters hitting their students with sticks hahaha
And Osho provided me with all this .All the material .The Occult knowledge,to get a grasp of what enlightenment feels like
Ahh,and the suprise I got ,when analyzed his chart in the Human Design system,and his calibration on the HAwkins scale (level of conciousness ) 570 and then fell to 180 ! (some discussions in the forums about this.If I recall well,his LOC fell once he got in the States .....now wonder(they sucked him and he was drained=a true martyr after all ) http://2travel.org/Files/DHawkins/Calibrate.pdf
I could talk for hours and hours about the EGO also .Its a very funny subject after all .Know what I mean ?
The I ,and the need to preserve it .Its hillarious if you think about it .Its like a safety net in a machine(us humans).It has to be understood,de-activated(sort of ) in order to SEE
So ,dear Infinity ,I was referring in the post about the destruction of the EGO .http://www.humandesign.com/heart-or-ego-center
Please take some time and read that .I beleive that once grasped ,you will laugh .We will all laugh and be happy again.
Cause we have been conditioned(=lied ) in he MAia .Big time
And its not the fault of anyone .
Its just how the programme operates .Its automatic (as RA said.(=the founder of this system >> Human Design )
De- conditioning is the KEY for enlightmen .What I propose ,is not some quick fix .Its a combination of various tools from different "schools" (meditation,brainwave entertainment, shocks (Gurdjieff) ,crystal therapy ,cleaning of enrgies(reboot in a ay ) ,use of substances (herbs,drugs,foods) etc
Nothing new basically
All I am saying is this : Why not circulate that Knowledge once and for all
Why keep it a SECRET
I mean what the fuck ???
Back in the DARK AGES ??
Keep it in the family and RULE over those that are un-aware ?
No no my friend
Personally ,I apply what I say.Practically .No more theories for me
I give freely of myself expecting nothing.I go with the wind (im a gemini .the messenger .I can be heretic .I am basically and there is nothing wich can stop me .I am FREE.)
Slavery is a choice
Re: Is getting enlightened passé ?
Fear, perhaps is the one reason for secrecy and greed, power hunger etc. as you already mentioned the Elite agenda thing.lizard69 wrote:Why keep it a SECRET
I think keep it in "low profile" section would be more better and little by little sharing the knowledge freely of course. The some other "slaves" have so fragile mind that they just can't take in too much at one time and needs alot of time to digest the newly gained info if they are interested about these things willingly of course. Enough is enough basics then
I know I come back to some already read material from time to time, to see something that I have yet to comprehend. Reciprocal System is one of these slowly digesting materials and also Qigong practice, which I have just started to do a little to see how it works. Although I need to be more patient in order to get some "results" from practicing it, usually what comes to anything of practice I tend to quit it, because of lack of concentration or some other factor which I do not know of. Have tried to do many things, but none of them were my "thing", among them is Tae Kwon Do, a little bit of body building(didnt work out at all). Only thing as a hobby has been Disk Golf that can be practiced in summertime. Have given up that aswell in last summer, maybe again this summer though. Couldnt see much progress in my throws, since I'm "small frame" physically speaking, also it didnt help to notice that my friends did better than me so the rivalry tends to take me down very quickly and I just realized it in hindsight which has been wrong in my mind before (how obvious still eluding somehow). Too much based on rivalry, also few years back I said to my friends that I didnt want to compete in that hobby of mine so that I counted my throws as it says in the "rules" of the game.
Its hard to play games since they are based on rivalry. And advertised as "funny" to whom they are funny but winners only. I think that enlightened person is truly enlightened when understanding the difference between rapport and rivalry and choosing rapport over rivalry, since it seems to be the only way to evolve to the "next level". Although you all know this already I think. Old stuff just little differently expressed.
So yea I think where one should start the "journey" is understanding this rapport first and rest falls into place along the way bit by bit.
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lizard69
Re: Is getting enlightened passé ?
Dear Ilkka
taking care of the body is a prerequisite
Not so much what to eat ,but how
example :
I have aprimitive stomach .I eat one thing at a time (only meat and then a salad ,and then a fruit )
If i mix im going to suffer ...
Other types:
1) primitive (one food at a tie )
2) island diet (eating seasonal food .example figs in late summer,early autumn )
3) cold or hot food (heated or not )
4) eating relaxed(usually alone) or -movement .
5) eating with light ,or not ( example one may need to go and eat their food where there is not so much light ,and others need to eat ith lots of light (noon ect )
6) eating with sounds around you ,or not(total silence.usually alone)
taking care of the body is a prerequisite
Not so much what to eat ,but how
example :
I have aprimitive stomach .I eat one thing at a time (only meat and then a salad ,and then a fruit )
If i mix im going to suffer ...
Other types:
1) primitive (one food at a tie )
2) island diet (eating seasonal food .example figs in late summer,early autumn )
3) cold or hot food (heated or not )
4) eating relaxed(usually alone) or -movement .
5) eating with light ,or not ( example one may need to go and eat their food where there is not so much light ,and others need to eat ith lots of light (noon ect )
6) eating with sounds around you ,or not(total silence.usually alone)
Re: Is getting enlightened passé ?
I beg the differ. Since I cant grow my own food as organic in nature I need to pick my food stuff from many different choices and of course nowadays I tend to pick the organic food stuffs.lizard69 wrote:Not so much what to eat ,but how
It really matters more what to eat for me atleast. Also I eat usually once a day and at certain time of the day or when I'm hungry, and I'm almost always hungry
. Although I'm quite thin and family members say that I dont eat enough, but something is just wrong in me to degree that I cant eat so much, so I would come into terms with their requirement or something like that.I eat what suits me the best in order to keep my body balanced, otherwise I get heartburn, or some other buring sensation inside me when eating something that doesnt suit me. I have noticed that some foods just doesnt comply with me anymore so I have changed my diet. Also It doesnt matter in what order I consume food, per se. I also eat seasonal foods when there is time for them of course. In winter time like now only seasonal food would be meat and dairy products, however I tend to just keep it simple and go with the flow and eat I need next.
PS. according to Daniel there is some foods that contain very little "Jing" and therefore needs to be avoided, like the most "trashfoods" and quickmeals. And I do avoid them since they give me heartburn, also some candies do this, so only choice is natural fruits for snacks. All of this heartburn has begun only a few years ago that I cant eat practically anything anymore, cucumber is one of them that causes it from natural sources, however someone told me that I should peel it first and then eat it and see what happens.
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lizard69
Re: Is getting enlightened passé ?
are you ready ???
Solution for Heartburns
One apple ,late at night(30 minutes + prior to sleeping)
I have tremendous experience with heartburn(when i get them my ears get red and i go into trance like state in order to avoid the burn) .Got twice surgery on my oesophagus
Tried everything !!!
Till i read last year approx about this !!
it works !1
Imagine this .I ate chocolate(mars bar) after 10+ years ,had red wine(chocolate and wine together wowow=100% chance of heartburn if you are prone to that.ahh forgot also coffee(i drink daily) )
So I ate my mars bar ,and after an hour or so ,ate an apple wich had been infused with chi(via orgonites,and radionics chi generator)
No only I didnt have heartburn the very next day,but that very apple,sobered me from some heavy alcohol consuming +weed smoking
I mean WTF
Yestreday I had again one orgonized apple and slept like a bear .Saw some really vivid dreams
I wish I could send you one (well it can be done .just send a picture of an apple of your and will send energy to it via my radionics machine .its the same thing .distance doesnt matter)
Solution for Heartburns
One apple ,late at night(30 minutes + prior to sleeping)
I have tremendous experience with heartburn(when i get them my ears get red and i go into trance like state in order to avoid the burn) .Got twice surgery on my oesophagus
Tried everything !!!
Till i read last year approx about this !!
it works !1
Imagine this .I ate chocolate(mars bar) after 10+ years ,had red wine(chocolate and wine together wowow=100% chance of heartburn if you are prone to that.ahh forgot also coffee(i drink daily) )
So I ate my mars bar ,and after an hour or so ,ate an apple wich had been infused with chi(via orgonites,and radionics chi generator)
No only I didnt have heartburn the very next day,but that very apple,sobered me from some heavy alcohol consuming +weed smoking
I mean WTF
Yestreday I had again one orgonized apple and slept like a bear .Saw some really vivid dreams
I wish I could send you one (well it can be done .just send a picture of an apple of your and will send energy to it via my radionics machine .its the same thing .distance doesnt matter)
Re: Is getting enlightened passé ?
I drink loose tea daily all day long, white, black and green teas. Black has different flavours it keeps my body's pH at bay sort of. Apple doesnt suit me so much either because of its acidity, now I have bought bananas and eaten one per day of em. Although some apples are not as acidic than others, but I may atleast try it and see if it works for me too.
PS. This "Marabou Chocolate" doesnt give me heartburns, not that, Ive noticed em from that source though. I know they say that it might cause heartburns, but I've yet to see it. I like Marabou instead of Fazer because of the taste, otherwise I dont like anything Swedish made and the language sounds horrible, also hated to study swedish languge in school days like the most of the students aswell.
PS. This "Marabou Chocolate" doesnt give me heartburns, not that, Ive noticed em from that source though. I know they say that it might cause heartburns, but I've yet to see it. I like Marabou instead of Fazer because of the taste
, otherwise I dont like anything Swedish made and the language sounds horrible, also hated to study swedish languge in school days like the most of the students aswell.-
lizard69
Re: Is getting enlightened passé ?
there is a book ,cant recall the title where i read about the apple
He also gives a recipe with vinegar for permanent results if i recall well
the apple definitely works fr me (green only) .It s been tested many times .Kinda of scares me in a way ,as I may start being a choco-holic .Its never enough ,and you end up with pimples like a teenager hahaha
He also gives a recipe with vinegar for permanent results if i recall well
the apple definitely works fr me (green only) .It s been tested many times .Kinda of scares me in a way ,as I may start being a choco-holic .Its never enough ,and you end up with pimples like a teenager hahaha